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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 477 for the 10th of

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December 2017 Richardson is here with

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you from overcast Sydney Australia we're

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expecting some rain again coming up on

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you don't want to hear about the weather

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you can look on the internet and Google

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Sydney weather I don't know why I give

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you coming up on this week's episode of

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the skeptic zone we're gonna kick off

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with the raw skeptic Heidi Robinson from

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the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters group and she's going to be

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telling us about a campaign by the

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anti-vaxxers to disseminate flyers into

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people's their letter boxes with the

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alarming headline vaccines killed my

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baby we're going to find out who's

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behind this and Heidi will read a story

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written by Jane Henson covering this

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issue anti-vaxxers in your letter box

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coming up at the top of the show

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following that Maynard spooky action

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more interviews from skeptic on only a

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couple of weeks ago now here in Sydney

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Maynard chats to our very own reporter

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Mandee Lee noble Tim Mendham from the

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Australian skeptics and a special

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interview with Captain disillusion also

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known as Alan melody Klien now captain

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disillusion was a special guest at the

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convention gave a wonderful talk I think

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that's available on YouTube I'll hunt

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that out and I'll link to that in the

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show notes if that's the case and after

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the convention as few of the committee

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members had a very nice dinner dinner

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out with Alan at a budget and a vegan a

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vegan restaurant here in Sydney it was a

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lot of fun then to round off the show a

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grain of salt with the Ransa give Iran

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is going to be chatting to Yaqoob Kulik

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who he met at the European skeptics

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Congress and we've been covering this

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story over the last month's I guess

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where there was a sort of panel the talk

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on exorcism at the European skeptics

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Congress and Iran's can find out about

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hypnosis and exorcism in this week's

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grain of salt stay tuned at the end of

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the show for the loose ends segment

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where we are bringing more news and

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snippets of information but now it's

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nice slice of ghost pepper cheese on a

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pepper cheese for those in Australia you

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can get it at Aldi supermarkets yum yum

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while I do that I hope you enjoy the

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone

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Heidi Robertson here from the Northern

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messenger who you may remember as being

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the author of the children's book

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flyer is being professionally done by a

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graphic designer and will be

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messenger shares and no doubt truly

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seizures and quote miss messenger writes

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favor of her own feelings but she does

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weapon and claim vaccines are the root

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cause of just about every ailment

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scientists know now that autism has a

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genetic component and no one knows just

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what else comes into play but they do

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know vaccination is not one of them

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because they have looked time and time

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again the link has been disproved 100

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times over even by a 500 thousand strong

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Norwegian study that showed autism rates

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in unvaccinated children are the same as

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the vaccinated community but this fact

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is rejected by anti-vaxxers in favor of

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a fraudulent paper by a struck off

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doctor who looked at just 11 kids Andrew

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Wakefield was struck off for medical

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fraud and failed to disclose that he

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accepted over 500 thousand dollars from

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lawyers representing the 11 autistic

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children in a suit against the MMR

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vaccine he is now the producer on

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another fact devoid story called vast

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regurgitating the same nonsense about

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cover-ups and catastrophes the fact that

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white children in the USA have a higher

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rate of autism is the essential fact

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that blows the vaccine conspiracy that

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to autism post vaccination out of the

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cancer is on the rise too they say again

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blaming vaccines improved diagnostic

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tests and screening is part of the story

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now well known smoking obesity excessive

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pointing to viruses actually triggering

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some cancers like the human papilloma

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virus the fact the vaccine is the reason

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cervical cancer will diminish is also

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ignored again the facts all these facts

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have a habit of ruining a really scary

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story end quote

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so keep an eye out for one of these

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fliers in your letterbox if you're in

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receive one until next time this is

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the skeptic a retired family physician

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writes about medicine so-called

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science-based medicine versus

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science based medicine in the media and

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politics Harriette covers each topic in

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a matter-of-fact no-nonsense way that

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shorter educate and entertain skeptic

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dot info

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here's Maynard spooky action at the

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here we are the first day of the

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conference it's Saturday morning

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everyone's just been up for the initial

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session I've been up to see thee

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recording the podcast I heard noise with

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CJ and Sam bit of combination of

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rationalism and metal I loved it

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he's full on a lot of aha bobbing around

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about buhbuh buhbuh buhbuh dr. Karl's

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about to do a signing to Mendham is

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behind the desk for the skeptics for

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that Jessica singer they're giving him

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back up anything could happen

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it's a wild skeptic thing ice to see if

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you hang overs from the drinks last

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night but you know a few names I could

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mention but you know of course as I look

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around here we look at the we do the

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usual camp we do at a sceptical

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conference I've seen two neckbeards

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three hurry three Harry high pants and

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one guy with a tubular bells t-shirt

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Richard what have you seen so far this

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morning you you goose I know I'm the

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only person wearing an astro boy jacket

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turn out look at all the people they're

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lined up right outside the door do it

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for book signing by dr. Carl B here and

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how many people you reckon to be in that

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line Oh 30 that's pretty good he's gonna

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do it on ice and they're light and

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they're lined up over there to get a

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coffee the line for the copy is longer

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than the line for dr. Carl I think

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that's okay because these books a bit

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more expensive than a coffee walk over

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here because I just see some there's dr.

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Carl himself walking right by so I'll

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get that in a strangely subdued t-shirt

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it's only it's only bright red checks

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who's your lighter skip the case in

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Saigon they have all team figures are

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five and a half months okay so it's time

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actually uh what discipline do you think

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of science go into his namesake Carl

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Sagan philosopher who's not actually

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saying anything at the moment that's

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gonna be unusual for the rest of your

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life so enjoy the peace and quiet way

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again here I think the youngest skeptic

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and dr. Carl were having worked as a bit

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of a pediatrician you'll know all about

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it

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dr. Carr's making sure people know who

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he is he's got a flashing dr. Carl badge

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look at that yeah it says dr. Carl and

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eat it Joe's at the end of it it does he

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a cicada sponsorship from somewhere

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here's the lineup for dr. crow having

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lots of skeptical people there Richard

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we're outside the recital hall here at

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angel place which by the way was where I

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used to DJ a lot but when we T this is

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like five-star when I DJed here was one

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star none of this was here it was just

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like like a toilet trough with it with

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two turntables at the end it was a bit

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more like that but I'm looking around

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outside and I can only see two skeptical

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smokers that says the sign of the times

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is that I'm a nerd I know I'm in

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Melbourne there's a lot more smoking

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sceptics in Melbourne this is

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interesting

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remember that maybe the words getting

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out maybe they're fuming more in city

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than smoking either through here and

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he's a voice it should be familiar to

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skeptics own Lister's who've we got here

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maybe lean over diet skeptic area of

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weight loss are you the most skeptical

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of well no I'm getting beat today I'm

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going to be talking about how I believe

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that all weight loss is super

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pseudoscience Wow how you just how you

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just it's like the topless Evo

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it's all a bit of magical thinking and

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weight doesn't really define health say

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oh I see yes you have got a good point

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there because you can have a low weight

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and you look terrible wherever I forgot

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a little bit of muscle bulk in the right

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area or you've done a bit about work and

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your way a bit more you look better this

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is true while all shapes and bodies

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found all shapes and sizes and they can

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all be healthy I'm healthy depending on

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their health habits thank you well who

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do you think would be an example of

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someone in popular culture we could look

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at male or female and go well they seem

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to have got the balance right I think

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anyone who's like a competent eater and

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who likes to move and that's the thing

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but I think we shouldn't really be on

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any moral obligation to be healthy we

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should all just be okay smarty dietician

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person like that shows like man versus

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food how do you feel about that I don't

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I noticed there's no shows called women

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versus food it's always men that want to

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take on the carbs we're basically a guy

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go or you know well sure I mean I

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believe there's a little lift in the

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area where you live and you know what

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why bother replacing it

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speaking of cold two ago dr. Karl over

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there if you could ask dr. Karl one

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question what would you lay on him

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scientifically oh my goodness that would

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the doorway one which I was I was

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listening to him today and I was

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expecting the doorway when I was

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actually discussing it with my son the

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other day and that's the doorway one

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again I love it

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well the doorways cause forgetfulness I

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always see it when you transition and

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you walk into a different room and you

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go why am I here

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absolutely so I'd probably like to ask

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you a bit more about that definitely

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gonna be looking up the the study now to

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see mmm to see it so yeah so just about

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he thinks that it's really a real

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artifact of science and I look forward

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to hearing you on the show later on our

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live recording it's been great to meet

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you may not good to make it to because

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when it comes to doing sceptical

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conferences there's one guy you always

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see he's got the magazine's head he's

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got the magnet sad he's got the t-shirts

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out in available and comparable sizes

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it's Tim men to mind him how are you I'm

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a nerd I'm very good thank you

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huge early start few 6 a.m. this morning

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you were here putting out the magazine's

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getting ready for the onslaught how the

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skeptics been this year

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very good it's been a very exciting year

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actually I think we've done got a lot of

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fun I think Australia wide but

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especially us in Sydney you've had some

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very good skeptics in the pub you've

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been to one of those you've spoken at

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one of those personally I've been up

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looking into all of them I did did one

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Tim Ferguson a little while ago yes and

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what is the hot item on The Skeptical

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desk here this time around we're giving

483
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away back copies of the magazine and

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they're going like free issues as you

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would expect specific a lot of the back

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issues that look pretty glamorous I've

487
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got a lot of stock so we're giving

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people away and treat here everything

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and of course what we always say that

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you have a read of it then you take it

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to your local homeopathy office and

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leave it in the shelf there alongside

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the old National Geographic sending

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magazines by then there's normally a hot

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topic or a theme or something to the

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convention what is it this year is there

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one at this particular convention

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Israeli I think they're selling it as

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ideas oh I see which is the big hubs

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about ideas that's right yeah it's been

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broad I know a lot of the odds I'd like

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to bring up transubstantiation that's a

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cracker of an idea in substation is one

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of my fan

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I kind of say they say it's so good ya

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know the under there's the Holy Trinity

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there's an idea there is an idea yeah

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there's three yeah is it in one unless

509
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you see it as one yeah this bit of a

510
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discussion actually I think we've heard

511
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of this and there was a bit of an

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atheist bench to this one there's a bit

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more of an atheist fixation in this

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conference and there have been in

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previous skeptical conventions yeah I

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think because we're working with an

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outside group and helping to organize

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working together to organize the

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speakers if it's extended a bit beyond

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the just a simple sort of simple

521
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traditional skeptical timings yeah

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atheism social issues that sort of thing

523
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as well dr. Karl's up there talking

524
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about Russian comedy and why it's not

525
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funny I mean when the hell did someone

526
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laugh at a Chekhov play the last time

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the seagull I did yeah but you've been

528
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to uni that's right true I know I know

529
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I'll be a bit of a cynic when it comes

530
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to check off and we've got the guilty

531
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housewife up there as well oh no the

532
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guilty mother she's a guilty mother and

533
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I don't know if this is a chocolate

534
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paste thing whether she wants an open

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relationship or the husband I'm not

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quite sure what it's about

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it definitely that's Kate brown eyes

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very good she's actually written an

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article for the next issue of the

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skeptic magazine so there we are all

541
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about guilty mums and there she sort of

542
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very rightly points out also guilty

543
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fathers as well now it's all about

544
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getting stuff marketed to you isn't it

545
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about items marketed to you as a parent

546
00:25:05,769 --> 00:25:01,820
all the things that you really don't

547
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,779
need like knee pads for toddlers oh when

548
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:06,799
they're crawling I suppose of your

549
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:09,200
hardwood hard stone floor and might be

550
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:10,490
helped but honestly they've been doing

551
00:25:14,049 --> 00:25:12,169
it for a while I think they used to it's

552
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:14,059
good for the knees now what are you

553
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:15,230
prepared for have you been out saying

554
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:16,490
difficult questions here I know you've

555
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:17,570
been to a few conferences where people

556
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:19,970
have hit you up and pinned down the

557
00:25:23,769 --> 00:25:22,580
skeptical meme what's going on here this

558
00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:23,779
has actually been a very sympathetic

559
00:25:28,330 --> 00:25:25,880
crowd I think because I'm offering them

560
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,340
free magazines no I want to push it too

561
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:30,080
hard asking questions I have had a few

562
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:31,640
people who are asking for a particular

563
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,110
issues and what we've been sort of doing

564
00:25:36,610 --> 00:25:34,880
lately there many just about there yeah

565
00:25:38,049 --> 00:25:36,620
the general skeptical movement Innes and

566
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:38,059
how they've asked it but what are we

567
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:38,809
doing lately

568
00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:43,700
me that lately is you yeah well I've got

569
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:44,840
to do that to keep you on your toes

570
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:46,610
that's true okay y'all need to be on my

571
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:48,260
toes too actually my feet are killing me

572
00:25:52,419 --> 00:25:50,330
honestly I've been here all day so yeah

573
00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:52,429
well I'm not going to sit just

574
00:25:55,989 --> 00:25:53,720
quietly here and get myself together

575
00:25:58,330 --> 00:25:55,999
before we doing the live skeptic zone

576
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,340
upstairs where anything can go wrong

577
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,559
we'll be on the edge we only get one go

578
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:02,720
at this you know and that's life yeah

579
00:26:11,859 --> 00:26:09,830
it's pre-recorded and I'm excited I'm

580
00:26:12,999 --> 00:26:11,869
excited this guy usually has I was just

581
00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:13,009
talking to someone about picking their

582
00:26:16,690 --> 00:26:15,230
favorite element by the way look at

583
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:16,700
Captain disillusion what is your

584
00:26:23,019 --> 00:26:19,850
favorite element mine is American mine

585
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:23,029
is clearly disillusioned new and what

586
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,769
else could it be that's right

587
00:26:27,730 --> 00:26:26,480
mine's got an atomic weight of 95 and

588
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:27,740
they used in batteries where does

589
00:26:32,769 --> 00:26:30,470
disillusioning him come down where will

590
00:26:34,749 --> 00:26:32,779
we find it normally well out in space

591
00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:34,759
clearly and it has yet to be established

592
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,580
because you know as my fans know there's

593
00:26:42,669 --> 00:26:39,440
a lot of mystery to the origins of my

594
00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:42,679
character to the whole universe of my

595
00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:45,320
show so they have to keep watching to

596
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:46,789
figure these things out I figured them

597
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,529
out already clearly everything is

598
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:50,960
completely like you know conceptualize

599
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:52,730
but I'll just have to reveal it step by

600
00:26:57,369 --> 00:26:55,850
step look I was first introduced to the

601
00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:57,379
wonderful world of captive disillusion I

602
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:58,940
think but round about the time you

603
00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:01,730
unveiled the the Temple Mount UFO hoax

604
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:05,480
oh the which one is that is that what I

605
00:27:09,789 --> 00:27:07,129
claim - UFO landed on the Temple Mount

606
00:27:12,879 --> 00:27:09,799
in me in Israel in Tel Aviv is that the

607
00:27:14,529 --> 00:27:12,889
one did I do that I don't remember if I

608
00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:14,539
did a video on that but that sounds very

609
00:27:20,109 --> 00:27:17,029
interesting I got to put it in my my

610
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:20,119
catalog of stuff - still recently

611
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:23,690
referenced it did I oh well during the

612
00:27:27,460 --> 00:27:26,090
lightning strike one you did it was one

613
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:27,470
about the lightning strike in Australia

614
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:28,850
and you referenced it no that's cool

615
00:27:33,399 --> 00:27:30,740
those those awesome pictures those

616
00:27:34,330 --> 00:27:33,409
completely realistic looking photos from

617
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:34,340
back in the day

618
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,529
um what blows me away in every captain

619
00:27:40,239 --> 00:27:38,720
dissolution video and I suggest you go

620
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:40,249
and have a look at a couple is it not

621
00:27:43,539 --> 00:27:42,529
only can you spot that it's After

622
00:27:47,139 --> 00:27:43,549
Effects you know the difference between

623
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:47,149
After Effects 8 & 9 & 6 & 7 I love that

624
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:49,970
oh yeah especially cs4 that stuff looks

625
00:27:54,970 --> 00:27:52,309
completely different no I mean you know

626
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:54,980
the tools change but the methods really

627
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,710
don't it's all about making things look

628
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,840
you know questionable and kind of crappy

629
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:01,520
and low-quality and then you can pretty

630
00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:03,710
much get away with anything look I love

631
00:28:07,870 --> 00:28:05,390
the way you unveil people trying to do

632
00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:07,880
hoaxes and fool everything but I assume

633
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,860
that everything I say on YouTube is fake

634
00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:12,080
I don't assume any of its real yeah

635
00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:13,190
these days what that's what you have to

636
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:15,620
do and I find that with my audience like

637
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:17,660
when I started out people just kind of

638
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:19,190
believed everything and they you know it

639
00:28:21,610 --> 00:28:20,480
was easy it's like shooting fish in a

640
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:21,620
barrel just like look at all these

641
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:23,510
people look at all these comments of

642
00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:25,070
everyone being credulous but nowadays

643
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,560
people really just ask me is this fake

644
00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:28,880
is this fake and half the stuff they

645
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:30,740
show me it's just like Oh a juggler

646
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:33,110
juggling a lot of balls it's like they

647
00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:34,700
can't conceive that that could be real

648
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:36,560
so on people just don't believe anything

649
00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:38,870
anymore and I guess that's good for me

650
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:41,300
because I get to explain lots of stuff

651
00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:44,210
and make fun of people but you know I

652
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:46,520
wish people could finally strike that

653
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:47,930
balance where they're not too credulous

654
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:50,540
but they also know not to just dismiss

655
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:52,670
everything out of hand the problem I've

656
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,080
got into recently would friends mind

657
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:56,720
that ever they like UFO photos and

658
00:29:01,270 --> 00:28:58,370
things like that I saw a photo from

659
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:01,280
China and it was so sharp the light was

660
00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:02,150
coming out of the bottom of the

661
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,560
spaceship it looked like there were some

662
00:29:06,850 --> 00:29:05,480
bits of it exposed different I said I'm

663
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:06,860
sorry that looks fake because it's too

664
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:09,470
good and you guys are you skeptics you

665
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:12,050
if it's either too blurry or it's too

666
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:14,300
good make your mind up but a photo that

667
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:16,370
is too good is very suspicious isn't it

668
00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:18,860
it is I mean yeah sometimes I almost

669
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:20,840
feel sorry Linda Moulton Howe that one

670
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:22,400
of the of the spaceship that was

671
00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:24,110
supposed to be an actual genuine photo

672
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:27,260
of a alien spaceship probe going over

673
00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:29,060
some telegraph poles they looked at it

674
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:31,910
and they could find some JPEG what he

675
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:34,190
called artifacts and things like that is

676
00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:35,630
that that's always gonna give away stuff

677
00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:39,020
can you actually hide maybe if the CIA

678
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,270
can do a photo who can hide one that you

679
00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:44,000
can't tell yeah I'm not sure what I

680
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,980
guess I guess it is possible it's just

681
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:47,360
you have to be a little bit more

682
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:49,070
elaborate you have to take the extra

683
00:29:53,230 --> 00:29:50,630
steps that most people I guess don't

684
00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:53,240
bother to take if you just you know even

685
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:55,700
even like a really well rendered

686
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:57,650
completely computer-generated image

687
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,750
could you know just you start out with

688
00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:02,240
really high quality and then you like

689
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,920
rephotographed it or something and then

690
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,200
you know all the artifacts and

691
00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:07,360
would look correct I guess but you don't

692
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:08,830
see a lot of that done people just don't

693
00:30:11,549 --> 00:30:10,600
think outside the box I guess they just

694
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:11,559
take the easy way out

695
00:30:14,909 --> 00:30:13,510
these hoaxers what's the most

696
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:14,919
interesting one you've come up against

697
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:16,750
the one that you went rule is the one

698
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,340
that's even challenged you a little bit

699
00:30:22,259 --> 00:30:20,320
in how they did it well I have to say I

700
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:22,269
fall victim to that whole thing of just

701
00:30:25,769 --> 00:30:24,580
like not believing like the default

702
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:25,779
position being I just don't believe what

703
00:30:28,139 --> 00:30:26,289
I'm seeing

704
00:30:31,769 --> 00:30:28,149
with when I'm exposed to new videos

705
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:31,779
heaven they say yeah they say it yeah

706
00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:33,190
that might be a better name but no I

707
00:30:39,299 --> 00:30:37,240
tried to be objective and like recently

708
00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:39,309
there was this strange little viral clip

709
00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:40,929
it was very short and it was of this guy

710
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:43,000
just like it's some kind of water park

711
00:30:46,889 --> 00:30:44,830
and a guy slides down this water slide

712
00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:46,899
and into a pool and typically when that

713
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,190
happens you just kind of dunk into a

714
00:30:51,690 --> 00:30:50,080
pool and you're done but this guy's kept

715
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:51,700
sliding down the water on the surface

716
00:30:55,649 --> 00:30:53,590
all the way to the edge of the pool and

717
00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:55,659
just got up like right using the

718
00:30:59,789 --> 00:30:57,309
momentum just step right out of the pool

719
00:31:00,570 --> 00:30:59,799
and that sounds unbelievable and kind of

720
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:00,580
looked unbelievable

721
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:03,490
but it actually was real so once I you

722
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:05,740
know I began I wanted it to make to make

723
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,510
it the topic of my video and I started

724
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:09,039
analyzing it and I just couldn't find

725
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,600
any of those little details any of those

726
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,820
giveaway artifacts or anything and then

727
00:31:16,769 --> 00:31:15,279
I just looked at that more evidence from

728
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:16,779
like other people may be capturing

729
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:18,850
footage from that place that particular

730
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:21,370
water park and I found some and it turns

731
00:31:25,259 --> 00:31:23,350
out that's just how that weird pool is

732
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:25,269
arranged and somehow people are able to

733
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:27,460
slide across it for a bit because of the

734
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:29,740
momentum or something and so it's pretty

735
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,330
interesting the one thing I've noticed

736
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:33,039
on YouTube a lot which is where you kind

737
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:35,110
of live a fair bit is there's a lot more

738
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:37,510
Flat Earth videos in this I've ever seen

739
00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:40,630
yeah that's really strange I I got a I

740
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:42,669
got a look into that I'm sure there's a

741
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:45,250
lot to to unpack there but I've seen a

742
00:31:49,529 --> 00:31:47,110
few other channels do something like

743
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:49,539
some science and skepticism channels do

744
00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:51,970
videos it's not really a stuff that can

745
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:53,980
be debunked video wise because they they

746
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:56,320
could present these facts and it's kind

747
00:31:58,919 --> 00:31:57,370
of interesting because when these people

748
00:32:00,840 --> 00:31:58,929
get interviewed on regular shows they

749
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,850
aren't really challenged much beyond the

750
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:03,279
hosts going but surely you can't believe

751
00:32:07,259 --> 00:32:05,080
this they didn't actually challenge them

752
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:07,269
yeah it's bizarre and I think we should

753
00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:08,799
take time to challenge them not even

754
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:10,120
challenge them but just present them

755
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:11,620
with a little bit more like what about

756
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:13,110
all this mountain

757
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,850
it doesn't line up with what you're

758
00:32:18,860 --> 00:32:16,860
saying you know they have a lot of quick

759
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:18,870
explanations quick little answers to

760
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:20,970
like common things but there's so much

761
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:22,860
more evidence on the side of reality

762
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:25,020
that it's surprising that anyone can

763
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,460
hold that point of view for very long

764
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,799
and how many subscribers if you go as of

765
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,480
this week as of this week I think

766
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,360
recently I surpassed half a million so

767
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:35,520
hopefully it'll keep going and we'll see

768
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,290
now with that many subscribers you must

769
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:39,600
get some real crank mail you must really

770
00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:42,330
get the crank mile yeah hi you would

771
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:44,160
think so but I kind of get like

772
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:45,809
interesting suggestions like I said a

773
00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:48,390
lot of suggestions or things that are

774
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:50,400
perfectly normal perfectly real but

775
00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:51,720
people just don't want to believe it and

776
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:53,040
they want me to explain why this is fake

777
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:54,360
because they're like this is too good

778
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:56,070
this person's skills are too good I

779
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:57,809
don't think anybody should be that great

780
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:00,480
at what they do I guess I get a lot of

781
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,720
that but um yeah like I've surprisingly

782
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:05,700
I almost never hear from for instance

783
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:08,130
you know people whose videos I analyze

784
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:10,169
like I almost never you would think they

785
00:33:15,650 --> 00:33:12,809
would constantly you know send me angry

786
00:33:17,870 --> 00:33:15,660
letters I suppose maybe and but but I

787
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:17,880
have a community that communicated with

788
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,610
a couple of them and recently one just

789
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:22,080
like wrote me a really nice letter cuz

790
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:23,850
it was it wasn't about like a hoax or

791
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:25,470
anything it was just about a fake viral

792
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:27,000
video where an effects artist did some

793
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:29,040
work and that artist wrote me and said

794
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:30,750
like oh wow you I really love your

795
00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:32,280
videos and you really nailed everything

796
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:34,200
you explained even though I was just

797
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:36,150
kind of going by what I see so that's

798
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:37,890
nice to hear sometimes like a positive

799
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:40,440
reaction from someone who was the

800
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:42,030
subject of my video because I mean I I

801
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,970
am mockingly mean but I think I strike

802
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,880
an okay tone of like making it into a

803
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,580
joke and kind of having laughing with

804
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:52,799
everyone instead of at everyone with

805
00:33:56,299 --> 00:33:54,510
your regular your day job your film

806
00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:56,309
production work we have seen that in a

807
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:57,390
movie or something have you done

808
00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:58,740
something they might have seen yeah I

809
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:00,750
mean I've worked on you know nothing

810
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:02,190
huge but I've worked in a lot of like

811
00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:04,169
music videos and things just doing

812
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:06,150
little patchwork you know there's a lot

813
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:08,250
of mistakes and things these days that

814
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:10,290
people just they just used visual

815
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:12,090
effects to correct stuff like oh there's

816
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:13,859
a microphone in the shot or this or that

817
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:15,929
so that's kind of been my bread and

818
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:17,460
butter for a while but in recent couple

819
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,169
of years in the last couple years I

820
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:21,359
thanks to patreon I actually kind of

821
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:22,760
become became gap

822
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:24,770
disillusion full-time Oh so I'm pathetic

823
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:28,010
this yeah okay look look what is the

824
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:30,169
best video clip ever made for me there's

825
00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:32,690
there's really only two David Lee Roth

826
00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:35,149
of course adjusted gigolo perhaps the

827
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:37,100
best video clip ever made and of course

828
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:39,530
some Right Said Fred I'm too sexy mainly

829
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:41,090
because the song now there's just two

830
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:43,700
outstanding clips not a lot of trickery

831
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:49,280
in those clips no no my my I have a

832
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:50,899
great recommendation for a music video

833
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,790
but unfortunately I do not know the

834
00:34:57,610 --> 00:34:54,399
official name it's just some funny

835
00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:57,620
repeated silly word it's a Japanese like

836
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:00,740
pop song by an artist and I have to look

837
00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:01,910
it up and I'll have to show it to you

838
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:03,560
but it's the most bizarre thing I've

839
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:05,630
ever seen just like this barrage of

840
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:07,970
colors and bizarre imagery and this is

841
00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:09,790
one of those ones that makes you a

842
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:12,260
political ittle bit and it's mostly it's

843
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:13,670
just like what am I looking at it's

844
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:16,580
cutting to you know a person in a bear

845
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:19,310
suit you know hugging a squirrel then

846
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,710
this girl is dancing then somebody like

847
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:24,020
turns over turns around on farts and

848
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:25,670
there's a cartoon part that like drawn

849
00:35:29,590 --> 00:35:27,560
out of there but it's it's crazy but I

850
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,600
love it I got to look that video up and

851
00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:31,520
send you a link well I will definitely

852
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,600
want to see that I mean the Japanese

853
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:34,400
know how to do it well so some of the

854
00:35:39,460 --> 00:35:36,170
Eastern Europeans make some wig clips

855
00:35:42,100 --> 00:35:39,470
too that defies analysis that's true

856
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:42,110
quite a few videos that I've analyzed

857
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:43,790
for some reason come from Russia like

858
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:46,040
there's a the ghost car video where

859
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:48,140
someone in an intersection like a car

860
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:50,810
comes out of nowhere there's a couple

861
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:52,550
more that like a flying girl someone

862
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:54,170
catches like some strange child in the

863
00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:55,910
woods just floating I think that one's

864
00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:57,140
from Russia yeah they've got an

865
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:00,290
imagination people trying to do these to

866
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:01,790
deliberately trick people are they

867
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:03,890
trying to do it to earn money on YouTube

868
00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:06,650
board to promote a philosophy what do

869
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:09,740
you think is the main motivator it's all

870
00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:11,900
of those there's not main one I come

871
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:13,430
across videos that are clearly just ads

872
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:15,110
and they're designed to promote a

873
00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:17,600
product in this like viral way sometimes

874
00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:19,460
it's fairly innocent and it's just

875
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:21,710
someone you know some student trying out

876
00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:23,570
their effects skills and they don't

877
00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,100
necessarily want to fool everybody but

878
00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:27,740
the their attitude is well if this goes

879
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,540
viral and full speed full cool but if

880
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,520
not I don't care if everyone says it's

881
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:32,640
fake I know it's fake

882
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:35,010
whatever and then there's there are a

883
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,900
few where it's like they're genuinely

884
00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:39,540
trying to fool people like especially

885
00:36:42,590 --> 00:36:41,070
I've done a couple of videos like this

886
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:42,600
where I analyze like Kickstarter

887
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:44,850
projects for kind of weird products that

888
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:46,650
don't make any sense that can't possibly

889
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:49,380
work but they you know gather so much

890
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:51,210
funding so those are the kinds of things

891
00:36:54,620 --> 00:36:52,890
you have to actually challenge and

892
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:54,630
really deconstruct and tell people look

893
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:55,950
this doesn't make sense

894
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,630
and you shouldn't support it and as a

895
00:37:01,460 --> 00:36:59,520
skeptic what's your favorite red flags

896
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:01,470
we're the ones we go haha that's one of

897
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,390
my fat dad it's happening again what's

898
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:05,040
the one you say we should also look out

899
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:07,530
for when any concept or idea or video

900
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:10,650
comes your way well I guess like I

901
00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:12,210
haven't done this recently but kind of

902
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:13,560
going back to my roots when I first

903
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:15,330
started out videos they a lot of them

904
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:17,430
were about ghosts and ghost sightings

905
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:19,110
and that's kind of my pet peeve you know

906
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:21,210
people spreading that those kind of

907
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:24,090
ideas about the afterlife about you know

908
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:26,910
like spirits and doing right things

909
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:28,830
right doing you know kept in disillusion

910
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:32,460
III live alone and I can listen to UFOs

911
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,740
stuff Bigfoot stuff and everything but

912
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:36,720
if I listen to ghost stuff it kind of

913
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:38,790
makes me uneasy in my own house where

914
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,230
the other things don't affect me at all

915
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:42,960
can you explain that I am with you I

916
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:44,550
feel the same you know I'm like a

917
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:46,110
skeptical dude and I make fun of all

918
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:48,030
this stuff but if I'm home alone and

919
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,010
it's really dark and it's dreary and I

920
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:52,320
just watched a horror movie I'm scared

921
00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:54,210
out of my mind you know to walk into the

922
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:55,740
kitchen if the light doesn't work sweet

923
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,720
it's it's yeah we can't fight it it's

924
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:00,720
our nature but that's it's more it makes

925
00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:02,190
it more important to really just like

926
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,230
know at least intellectually but there's

927
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:06,480
nothing to it the ghosts don't exist you

928
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:08,130
might still be kind of instinctively

929
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:10,980
instinctively scared but you'll some

930
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,570
somewhere in there you'll feel a little

931
00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,400
bit better and you'll be able to deal

932
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:16,140
with you know your own anxiety if

933
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:18,630
nothing else and if you had the

934
00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:20,520
unlimited budget for kept in disillusion

935
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:22,080
what is the episode that you would love

936
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:23,820
to do if they went well he's a truckload

937
00:38:28,070 --> 00:38:26,250
of cash captain well if a few people

938
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:28,080
have suggested that I should just put on

939
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:30,150
a full on full length captain

940
00:38:33,830 --> 00:38:31,590
disillusion movie and I've had a few

941
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:33,840
interesting ideas about that I guess the

942
00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:35,370
rights would be the expensive bit of

943
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:37,830
that too well I mean I guess I would

944
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,570
yeah I would I would look for some

945
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,520
really interesting videos to explain but

946
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:43,440
also just expand the whole universe of

947
00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:44,130
Captain Dee and

948
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,750
make it more into some kind of sci-fi

949
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:47,400
adventure with some skeptical messages

950
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,770
that might be fun this guy I know a lot

951
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:52,200
of what you do is an illusion but when

952
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,640
you smash the glass with your wrist I

953
00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:55,920
get scared when you smash that tube yeah

954
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:57,840
yeah that was fun to do I try to throw

955
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:00,150
in you know I spend a lot of time

956
00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:01,950
deconstructing the effects and showing

957
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,780
like the actual subject video but

958
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:05,220
there's a ton of effects that go into

959
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:07,020
just me hosting and doing the silly

960
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:09,420
things while I'm on screen and I kinda

961
00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:11,610
enjoy that I try to whatever whatever

962
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:13,080
effects I'm talking about in the fake

963
00:39:17,540 --> 00:39:15,150
video I try to do some version of that

964
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:17,550
in my in my actual room and whatever and

965
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:19,710
so there's like an interesting if you

966
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:21,480
are someone that looks into actual

967
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:22,950
technology or visual effects and follow

968
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,930
that stuff I think you get a different

969
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:26,400
appreciation it's kind of like almost

970
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,710
inside the visual effects artist humor

971
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:31,200
and there speaking of humor having

972
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:32,700
worked in television there's an old joke

973
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,470
they love to use on the set which maybe

974
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:36,000
you've used as well too and it's against

975
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:38,970
the audio guy they say audio 50% of the

976
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:41,640
production 90% of the problem now do you

977
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:44,700
believe that at all yeah I I have to I

978
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:47,550
have to run my own audio and it's a

979
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:49,530
nightmare because like you know I can't

980
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:51,030
take care of everything I got to listen

981
00:39:54,980 --> 00:39:52,740
in I got to make sure my mic works and

982
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,990
then I sometimes have to be judicious

983
00:39:58,610 --> 00:39:56,700
and stop myself the reason everybody

984
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,620
hates the audio guys because he he stops

985
00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:00,480
the shoot at the slightest provocation

986
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:02,580
there's a tiny noise there's anything

987
00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:04,530
you'll just get in the way he'll stop

988
00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:06,060
the whole thing but I have to be that

989
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:07,590
for myself because I'm like a one-man

990
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:10,290
band for the most part so I'm you see

991
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:12,630
one of you great five or seven minute

992
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,460
episodes how long does it take to put

993
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:16,980
that together well nowadays with patreon

994
00:40:20,570 --> 00:40:18,750
I'm on a monthly schedule I promise two

995
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,580
years or three years ago now to my

996
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,440
audience that I'll make at least a video

997
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:24,000
a month and you know how they say you

998
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:26,700
know whatever time you a lot for a task

999
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:27,810
that's how long it'll take

1000
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,610
it takes me a full month to make every

1001
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:31,980
video and it without fail so that's my

1002
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:34,890
and for women out there who maybe are

1003
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:35,940
having some trouble with their makeup

1004
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,070
what does the makeup remover you use to

1005
00:40:43,610 --> 00:40:40,560
get that off your face afterwards makeup

1006
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:43,620
what makeup I'm sorry I'm sorry I'll be

1007
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:46,020
well yes that's true silly

1008
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:49,170
oh no I don't want to pull back the

1009
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:50,550
curtain on cap I don't want to make kept

1010
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,380
the disillusioned disillusioned that's

1011
00:40:56,430 --> 00:40:54,480
fine no people understand that you know

1012
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:56,440
to cover up all of the silver after

1013
00:41:02,010 --> 00:40:58,930
a lot of flesh tone makeup on the top

1014
00:41:04,290 --> 00:41:02,020
part of my face and you know I looked at

1015
00:41:06,809 --> 00:41:04,300
different sources like Revlon mostly you

1016
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:06,819
know but you know I think mostly these

1017
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:09,160
know a lot more about this than me and I

1018
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:12,970
am not qualified to give advice oh okay

1019
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:15,310
do not take makeup advice from Captain

1020
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,810
disillusion well we're gonna go in and

1021
00:41:18,359 --> 00:41:17,920
do the skeptic Center I think soon

1022
00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:18,369
Evelyn

1023
00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:20,020
pretty soon yes I'm getting a wine up

1024
00:41:22,589 --> 00:41:21,310
there so I hope we bump into each other

1025
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:22,599
at the dinner tonight are you doing any

1026
00:41:27,089 --> 00:41:24,579
hosting work yes I'll be at the dinner I

1027
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,099
am doing a talk tomorrow and it should

1028
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:28,720
be fun what to cook topic of your talk

1029
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:31,240
tomorrow the topic of my talk as most of

1030
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,190
my activity and most of the things that

1031
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,160
I do is about me it'll just be about you

1032
00:41:40,890 --> 00:41:39,040
know my journey and you know striking

1033
00:41:42,839 --> 00:41:40,900
the right tone with what you produce

1034
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:42,849
online and communicating with the

1035
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:45,010
audience I look forward to that and I

1036
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:46,569
hope you put someone down in a hilarious

1037
00:42:07,860 --> 00:42:01,450
[Music]

1038
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:07,870
what this Christmas mean to you does it

1039
00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:10,210
mean the big guy in the red suit does it

1040
00:42:18,690 --> 00:42:12,280
mean yet another crappy Christmas song

1041
00:42:21,090 --> 00:42:18,700
like this one or does it mean getting

1042
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:21,100
along to a very bunga bunga Christmas

1043
00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:22,900
that's right the happiest kingdom of

1044
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:25,180
them all will be at the mighty Howell

1045
00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:28,690
Park Hotel at 7:30 on Tuesday the 19th

1046
00:42:32,580 --> 00:42:30,940
of December where Tim Ferguson of the

1047
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:32,590
Doug Anthony all-stars of everything

1048
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,330
that's funny ever in the history of

1049
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:36,640
Australian comedy and myself will be on

1050
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:39,400
stage will be having a quiz will be

1051
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,040
mucking about will be labelling people

1052
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:44,560
and I can almost guarantee you that this

1053
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:46,450
show that is recorded on the night will

1054
00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:48,670
only be half what we actually do find

1055
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,100
out what's so good about the other half

1056
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:53,680
maybe it's not well maybe a skeptic you

1057
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,330
should go along and find out it's your

1058
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,960
job to skeptically analyze comedy and to

1059
00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:00,160
the point that it's not funny anymore

1060
00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:02,620
that's a very bunga bunga Christmas

1061
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:05,320
Tuesday the 19th of December at the help

1062
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:07,000
her hotel in Sydney get along there

1063
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:08,950
tickets available online just go along

1064
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,540
and look for a very bunga bunga

1065
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:12,640
Christmas in the Google machine or go to

1066
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:15,430
Maynard com dodo you and there on the

1067
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:17,470
front page you'll see a post about it as

1068
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:18,910
well as all the other Christmas post

1069
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:20,590
I've been doing a podcast today for you

1070
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:21,910
people you haven't even been listening

1071
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:24,310
you ungrateful but you will be grateful

1072
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,110
if you go along to a very bunga bunga

1073
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:28,720
Christmas and say inspiring things like

1074
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:31,510
you're tired or something like that

1075
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:33,850
ho ho ho that's a very bunga bunga

1076
00:43:50,959 --> 00:43:37,260
Christmas Maynard pom that I goo

1077
00:44:02,370 --> 00:43:54,150
let's all take this with a grain of salt

1078
00:44:05,459 --> 00:44:02,380
is around second I'm here with Yaakov

1079
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,469
Kaduri okay thank you for saving me on

1080
00:44:09,029 --> 00:44:06,880
this mm-hmm

1081
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:09,039
Jakob you are you gave a talk yesterday

1082
00:44:12,299 --> 00:44:10,630
or a presentation actually your

1083
00:44:14,839 --> 00:44:12,309
demonstration is probably the right word

1084
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:14,849
yes yesterday as part of the session

1085
00:44:21,299 --> 00:44:19,089
about exorcism before we start talking

1086
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:21,309
about that I would like to YouTube maybe

1087
00:44:23,729 --> 00:44:22,660
give a bit of background about yourself

1088
00:44:26,549 --> 00:44:23,739
how you came to give that presentation

1089
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:26,559
or the demonstration yeah

1090
00:44:34,259 --> 00:44:30,670
I'm Mentalist and hypnotist and I'm I

1091
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:34,269
cooperate with Czech skeptics club in

1092
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:37,599
the project paranormal challenge this

1093
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:40,680
project is why I'm here because my

1094
00:44:45,959 --> 00:44:44,440
dissertation is magic tricks and

1095
00:44:48,269 --> 00:44:45,969
hypnosis okay

1096
00:44:52,229 --> 00:44:48,279
so specifically what you demonstrated is

1097
00:44:53,609 --> 00:44:52,239
how you can create Google let's call it

1098
00:44:57,059 --> 00:44:53,619
symptoms or you can create the same

1099
00:45:01,620 --> 00:44:57,069
effect as an exorcism mm-hmm or as a

1100
00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:01,630
possession in in skeptics in fact not

1101
00:45:05,370 --> 00:45:03,339
just not just anyone but in fact in

1102
00:45:07,709 --> 00:45:05,380
skeptics that skeptics are level people

1103
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:07,719
absolutely but I think it's important

1104
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:09,700
from the perspective of there's no prior

1105
00:45:14,009 --> 00:45:11,650
belief or anything like that you created

1106
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:14,019
the and it's there's no it's not we

1107
00:45:17,370 --> 00:45:15,940
spoke to these people afterwards it's

1108
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,380
not like they believed afterwards either

1109
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,319
basically your code you created was the

1110
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:23,200
effect mm-hmm okay so can you just run

1111
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:25,210
us through it quickly what you

1112
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:28,890
demonstrated I demonstrated a phenomenon

1113
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:32,319
labeled as possession so my experience

1114
00:45:40,499 --> 00:45:35,170
is that there is no position there's

1115
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:40,509
only imagination or suggestion which

1116
00:45:46,049 --> 00:45:43,930
creates this phenomenon which looks like

1117
00:45:48,269 --> 00:45:46,059
position psychological effects yeah a

1118
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:48,279
logical effect okay so there's

1119
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,890
psychological effect that we saw for it

1120
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,720
was for example fear of water can you

1121
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:54,400
describe what that looks like

1122
00:46:01,759 --> 00:45:57,690
yeah if your father was there because

1123
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:01,769
people who were here during her movie

1124
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,400
baikonur iced tea so maybe I'll just

1125
00:46:10,789 --> 00:46:07,839
interrupt and say that before your

1126
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:10,799
demonstration we saw a movie in which

1127
00:46:16,109 --> 00:46:14,170
exorcism and was shown and against that

1128
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:16,119
basically one of the things that we saw

1129
00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:19,230
was a woman that supposedly possessed

1130
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:22,900
that's afraid of holy water yes and this

1131
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:26,710
moment was a beautiful pressure for my

1132
00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:29,500
demonstration this effect because people

1133
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:33,869
who were there in the hall they knew how

1134
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:37,480
they could react when they are in trance

1135
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:40,390
or they feel something strange in their

1136
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:43,510
body yes so basically the suggestion was

1137
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:53,930
yes yes yes all right today somebody

1138
00:47:01,039 --> 00:46:58,980
said a Diego proven in his talk today he

1139
00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:01,049
mentioned your demonstration and he said

1140
00:47:05,299 --> 00:47:03,539
that he didn't know how people would

1141
00:47:07,329 --> 00:47:05,309
know how skeptics would know to be

1142
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:07,339
afraid of holy water and I was thinking

1143
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:09,630
that there were two things that happened

1144
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:11,190
during during demonstration first of all

1145
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,140
people saw the movie before yes and that

1146
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:16,170
was very important but also you yourself

1147
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:19,020
in the preparation while these two

1148
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:20,910
subjects who are already under hypnosis

1149
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:25,680
you said people who are possessed very

1150
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:27,750
often are afraid of holy water here I'm

1151
00:47:31,099 --> 00:47:29,640
making this water into holy water so you

1152
00:47:32,359 --> 00:47:31,109
actually said you didn't say directly to

1153
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:32,369
them but he actually said it and

1154
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:34,470
everybody could hear it it was all set

1155
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:37,950
up I worked with this with that movie

1156
00:47:45,319 --> 00:47:40,920
because I needed they they should say it

1157
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:45,329
before practically and then I mention it

1158
00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:45,720
again

1159
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,710
and that it works yeah so can you

1160
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,880
describe I mean there was a bit of

1161
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:52,740
subtlety to it in terms of the way the

1162
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:55,230
woman that you gave holy water holy

1163
00:48:00,980 --> 00:47:58,230
water in a hand of course in court - can

1164
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:00,990
you describe how she responded she

1165
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:04,980
responded that so first of all you gave

1166
00:48:08,839 --> 00:48:06,990
her just glass of water yes it was

1167
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:08,849
normal glass water it doesn't it was non

1168
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:11,579
holy water only I know but she first if

1169
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:13,049
first you gave her water and she just

1170
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:15,089
had a sip and everything was fine yes

1171
00:48:20,059 --> 00:48:17,730
and then I mentioned that now what is

1172
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:20,069
holy water and you will feel something

1173
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:24,210
different yes also taste it and that was

1174
00:48:34,279 --> 00:48:29,730
suggestion she yeah she was expecting

1175
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,289
something strange I think similar as in

1176
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:36,960
the movie and can you describe how she

1177
00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:45,069
she is pitted that water and she was

1178
00:48:51,130 --> 00:48:47,960
shaking and she was afraid of this

1179
00:48:53,290 --> 00:48:51,140
subject she was clearly very distressed

1180
00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:53,300
yes that was something that was actually

1181
00:48:58,270 --> 00:48:56,030
pomp disturbing because she was clearly

1182
00:49:01,089 --> 00:48:58,280
distressed by the water as to what she

1183
00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:01,099
was moving her chair back to be further

1184
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:03,320
away from the glass of water on that was

1185
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:06,950
on the chair yes very nice illustration

1186
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:11,690
there yeah so have you done something of

1187
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,070
this kind before so specifically

1188
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:18,160
demonstrating the effects of possession

1189
00:49:30,130 --> 00:49:23,800
I do performance in Czech Republic or

1190
00:49:34,030 --> 00:49:30,140
lectures lectures in libraries and there

1191
00:49:37,210 --> 00:49:34,040
I presenting this phenomenon so-called

1192
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:37,220
suggestion more hypnosis because I think

1193
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,660
there is no hypnosis

1194
00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:41,420
there's only suggestion and authority

1195
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:48,140
and faith or an expectation and this the

1196
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:52,339
things creating what you saw so what

1197
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:53,990
would you I mean in this case again it

1198
00:49:57,609 --> 00:49:55,970
was possession that you demonstrated

1199
00:49:59,980 --> 00:49:57,619
what other kind of things would you

1200
00:50:05,260 --> 00:49:59,990
demonstrate the air you can forgot your

1201
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,270
name you you could think that you are

1202
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,960
some some other person we can replace

1203
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:11,839
your name or you can remember everything

1204
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:15,530
what is in your head or it depends on

1205
00:50:22,349 --> 00:50:17,690
your creativity what you can do or you

1206
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:22,359
can heal somebody you will not feel pain

1207
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:24,790
you

1208
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:30,410
to me was actually fairly powerful which

1209
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:33,830
you might not be aware of it was quite

1210
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:36,500
clear that you were very scripted

1211
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:38,990
because he wanted the English to be read

1212
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:40,070
everything in English even they were a

1213
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,260
little bit rial most reading from the

1214
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:45,200
paper yeah which I think most people

1215
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:48,890
would expect would not work with you

1216
00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:50,390
know hypnosis and suggests you know that

1217
00:50:53,830 --> 00:50:52,430
they expect that you need to respond in

1218
00:50:56,590 --> 00:50:53,840
order and here you were basically

1219
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:56,600
walking through a series of steps you

1220
00:51:01,840 --> 00:50:58,370
were clearly reading it very often from

1221
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:01,850
from the sheet of paper a couple of

1222
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:02,930
times you were struggling with the

1223
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:06,140
pronunciation and it was working with

1224
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:07,790
you would still working which actually

1225
00:51:14,830 --> 00:51:12,770
shows how it's it's a technique yeah it

1226
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:14,840
is not something mysterious or

1227
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:23,050
doctors can use it but it's normal

1228
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:27,920
scientific I thought yeah and you should

1229
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:31,520
have only a few practice to do that so

1230
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:37,490
in your view what does that prove that

1231
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:41,770
that possession does not exist I think

1232
00:51:51,610 --> 00:51:45,590
the proof that some position doesn't

1233
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:51,620
exist we can't we can say that something

1234
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:55,119
is not real but

1235
00:52:04,140 --> 00:52:01,079
I think there I didn't meet somebody who

1236
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:04,150
wrecked it different that what we can

1237
00:52:09,509 --> 00:52:07,690
create by this method here so basically

1238
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:09,519
it's similar to what mentalists always

1239
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:12,190
say yes that yeah we can't prove that

1240
00:52:17,459 --> 00:52:15,430
psychics don't exist but we can do very

1241
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:17,469
easily the same thing that they do only

1242
00:52:23,370 --> 00:52:20,670
be very often better yes without

1243
00:52:25,799 --> 00:52:23,380
resorting to anything super nice right

1244
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:25,809
yeah so you do mentalism as well so your

1245
00:52:33,209 --> 00:52:27,910
magician and a Mentalist as well I am a

1246
00:52:35,779 --> 00:52:33,219
Mentalist and there is hypnosis is part

1247
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:35,789
of metal ISM you can do muscle reading

1248
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:43,210
hypnosis you can do some observation for

1249
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:47,339
your work or microexpression

1250
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:53,710
so this is little pieces of whole area

1251
00:52:58,319 --> 00:52:55,630
yeah okay

1252
00:52:59,999 --> 00:52:58,329
well thank you that the demonstration

1253
00:53:02,729 --> 00:53:00,009
especially in the context yesterday was

1254
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:02,739
really fascinating thank you and it was

1255
00:53:05,759 --> 00:53:04,329
great it was great to see it's great to

1256
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:05,769
meet you here and thank you very much

1257
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:07,400
grazie with you

1258
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:21,760
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1259
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1287
00:54:51,150 --> 00:54:48,150
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00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,300
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1292
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1294
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:05,950
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1295
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00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:14,020
friend Brian Dunning is putting together

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00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:49,119
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1312
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:51,640
with a documentary filmmaker I think

1313
00:55:57,630 --> 00:55:53,670
we'll have some more skeptics in the pub

1314
00:55:59,700 --> 00:55:57,640
interviews and snippets and well I don't

1315
00:56:03,569 --> 00:55:59,710
know I can't look into the future I wish

1316
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:03,579
I could I wish I could that would be a

1317
00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:06,940
good wish to have just peer peer into

1318
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:08,470
the future and see what's going to go on

1319
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:11,380
well we'll all find out next week but

1320
00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:13,210
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1321
00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:14,380
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1322
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:20,560
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